"She initiated that one because I think she felt demeaned and threatened. You're a whore. She's reporting just in the first session just how bad the relationship is, just how mean they are to one another. From Dr Anderson's testimony about her Treatment Summary: And how did you come to the understanding that on some occasions Miss Heard physically abused Mr. Depp?Dr Anderson (16:11), Miss Heard reported that.Question (16:12), What did Miss Heard report to you?Dr Anderson (16:15). Raising the issue and being shot down could easily be enough to stifle any willingness tovisitthe subject. 310-206-3551. There was some testimony from the London trial that was under seal, so she may have presented this story there and it wasn't made public until now.). I'm listening. No closed fist. Especially after he mentioned being hit by her in the joint session. Did she deny it? Hi Kevin. The recording includes many admissions of violence by Amber and demonstrates her abusive tone, attitude, and manipulations. 1. 4in-person sessions with Johnny and Amber together: Oct 1, 2015 -- This session was discussed during testimony. They have also lived in Columbus, OH and Dallas, TX. "Question (41:41)"Did you respond to her? His mother died on the 20th. I have worked with so many Psychologists and the activism over professionalism is real. Dr. Cassidy Blair, PSY.D., Blair Wellness Group, A Professional Psychological Corporation 260 reviews # 1 of 1320. "Question, "And the him whom she threw acan at. Dr Anderson "Miss Heard. She releases a story toPeople magazine. As a therapist and author of several books about partner abuse I've been following this case for a couple of years and was particularly interested in taking a detailed look at this testimony. ", "Did she tell you that he had hit her first, or was she the one who initiated the slap? So there was how many one inch size bruises were on her face that you observed?, I'm not a good person to ask this question to. By Hamel's standards, Dr Anderson underminesa diagnosis of mutual abuse herself in the very samestatementthat she presents the label: with Ms. Heard, he was triggered andthey engaged in what I saw asmutual abuse. His mother had just died on the 20th.. . But even in her own stories, Amber is often the aggressor.). "Question (52:00), "Okay. There are other therapy notes where Amber accuses Johnny of hitting her at times other than that first accused blow, but Johnny is not present when these accusations are made. . she came in --- she talked to me by phone, and then came in the next day. And you write: The physical violence that occurred between them appeared to me to be mutual. You never actually witnessed any physical violence by Mr. Depp or by Ms. Heard, correct?Dr Anderson (56:48), And you said that They were each victims of domestic violence, both in their family. she slapped him because he was being incoherent in talking about being with another woman. I was askedwhy people don't recognize abuse of men by women as a problem several times during interviews about female-to-male partner abuse that I created a blog post with my answer. Note: It sounds like the majority of the summary is redacted because it doesnt refer to DV. Depp, 58, is suing the 35-year-old Aquaman star for $50 million for defamation over a 2018 op-ed she wrote about being the survivor of sexual and physical abuse. Therapists and others need to ask themselves whether Johnny's accusation of"being hit in the jaw"didn't get more in-session attention because the accusation came from a man. The jury views video deposition from Candie Davidson-Goldronn of Children's Hospital of Los Angeles. But she gave as good as she got and she started it. Nothing in that next session. He's complaining, but he's also just kind of describing what the relationship was. He hits her. Dr Andersonhad a mixture of sessions that were one-on-one and with both JD and AH present, but they were described by her as all focused on couples' therapy. Locations Practice 1 9911 W Pico Blvd # 1070, Los Angeles, CA 90035 (310) 826-9576 9911 W Pico Blvd # 1070 Los Angeles, CA 90035 It also doesn't fit with Dr Anderson's descriptions of the session that follow. I agreed.Question (01:02:33), What did you understand, Mr. Depp to mean?Dr Anderson (01:02:36), She initiated fights. She reported trying to initiate a fight with him one night by slapping him when she was offended by what he said.", Then in the last sentence: It was also at this time that she showed me photos of her injuries. When did Miss Heard show you photos of her alleged injuries?, Well, to the best of my pulling together the information I wrote down, I'm saying it was right after that fight. On island, started to get into something.. Find Providers by Specialty Find Providers by Procedure. Mr. Depp's mother was in ICU. 2005-2023 Healthline Media a Red Ventures Company. Dr. Laurel Anderson , PHD . ..Question(59:29), What was the size of the bruise on her face that you observed on December 17?Dr Anderson (59:38), Maybe like this [Dr Anderson makes a circle with her fingers.] It was a point of pride to her. There is a great deal ofresearch supporting the idea that some partner abuse ismutual abuseorbidirectional, but a major challenge when talking about mutual abuse is setting the parameters of what it means. Taylor and Francis. Los Angeles, CA. ", [It sounds like the majority of the summary is redacted because it doesnt refer to DV. It is unclear to me whether Dr Andersonexcuses Amber's behavior oris notingreasons for Amber's behavioras areas of focus for therapy. Want to want to divorce? Phone. Laurel Anderson Phd . No Yes Select an available time 9701 SW Barnes Rd, Suite 130, Portland, OR 97225 Wed Jan 18 Thu Jan 19 Fri Jan 20 9:35 am 10:00 am 10:05 am And yet it had escalated to this point. I created it. What she reported to me, which was an improvement that she didn't participate.. Dr Anderson (40:59), Question (42:33) Directing your attention to the last snippet from that session. And this refers to a session that was just you and Ms. Heard, correct?, And this call, which was just between you and Ms. Heard and not Mr. Depp involved, that occurred on or about December 15, 2015?, And was it just shortly after that call when Ms. Heard showed you pictures and actually came into your office, is that right?, So Ms. Herd came in on December 17 and you saw bruises on her face, is that correct?, Was that bruising that you observed similar to the bruising that appeared on the photographs that she showed you?, You testified that what you saw in person was similar to what you saw in the photographs Amber gave you, correct?, When she came into your office on December 17, what did her face look like?, What I recall is not purple, green and blue, but just a darkening, so kind of a darker gray-blue sort of thing. #JohnnyDepp #AmberHeard @LawCrimeNetwork. Women's violence against men is often excused away. So tell us what you mean in that one section. Great job! Correct? She believed that she wasn't stupid. There may have been more, but I don't remember.Question (56:10), And you weren't present during the alleged physical injuries, correct?Dr Anderson (56:19), So the only basis you had with respect to the cause of the injuries was what Ms. Heard told you, correct? I think while he's talking, and I'm not trying to be obtrusive with my taking notes. That's kind of a direct quote. She is defending herself by heaping on additional defamation. She is a Clinical Psychologist who has been providing individual and couples' counseling in LA for 40 years. Dr. Laurel Anderson in Los Angeles, CA Accepts 0+ insurances. Will she have advantage if she leaves him but files with police for abuse first? Was that a question that she asked you?Dr Anderson (42:52)Yes. I noticed that some people on Twitter were confused because the DV community says there is no such thing as mutual abuse. 13. And I think he talked about how chaotic it was, how violent it was. His mother is dead at this point. And you write: The physical violence that occurred between them appeared to me to be mutual., You never actually witnessed any physical violence by Mr. Depp or by Ms. Heard, correct?, Didn't fight on island until last day. 2. Additionally, she offered some impressions of the couple's relationship and behaviors. Something else that concerns me about the possibility that Amber wastelling Dr Anderson stories about physical abuse in sessions when Johnny was absent, but those stories weren't mentioned in joint couple's appointments: Johnnycouldhave had the impression that stories of their physically violent encounters weren't part of their marriage counseling. Healthline Media does not provide medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. During the deposition, both parties had a chance to question the psychologist. Click for the 8 reasons I came up with. They don't say a lot. how did you come to the understanding that on some occasions Miss Heard physically abused Mr. Depp? My notes are jumbly. It was all about Christmas, and her therapist telling her one thing. The location you tried did not return a result. When I was first subpoenaed or my notes were required years ago. Did she tell you that he had hit her first, or was she the one who initiated the slap? ", [Side note: Amber's accusations against Johnny re DV in both the UK libel trial and US defamation trial spend a lot of time attacking Johnny for his use of drugs and alcohol, setting up the idea that his drug use fuels his violence, but here we have Amber telling her therapist that she initiated a physical fight because Johnny was "fucked up on a lot of drugs."]. (There is evidence that Dr Anderson accepts as true whatever Amber is telling her in individual sessions. Johnny at first told the hospital that he cut his finger off by accident. She felt she had to hit him back if he hit her, and so she always did.Question (35:18), And again, that entry is from a session where Mr. Depp was not physically present, correct?Dr Anderson (35:25), [Reading from the session notes.] The first half of this post provides background to Dr Anderson's testimony andtestimony analysis with selected transcript excerpts. 4 in-person or phone sessions with Amber: Oct 6, 2015 -- Amber's intake session. Times given in brackets throughout represent the time on the transcript. (It would not be unusual for a DV victim to initially turn attention away from publicly shaming their partner and then tell the truth later. I think you've described this in the course of your testimony, but I did want to ask you about your sentence: She reported always hitting him back as a point of pride, but admitted that she eventually initiated the hitting herself. Is the she you're referring to, Ms. Heard?Dr Anderson (53:34), And is the him you're referring to, Johnny Depp?Dr Anderson (53:41), "Okay, let's move to the next page, please. Jurors convicted both brothers of first-degree murder last year. Our website services, content, and products are for informational purposes only. She had rapid fire talking.Question (31:22), Did she interrupt him during your other sessions that are reflected in plaintiff's exhibit 2?Dr Anderson (31:30), Yes. (I double-checked the recording to make sure that the transcript was rightbecause this wordingseems to indicate that Dr Anderson believed that Amber purposefully tried to start physical fights.). For example, theNational Domestic Violence Hotline says that mutual abuse is a myth. Then she better. Who is the she who threw a can at him? Patients can call on the below given phone number for appointment. And she says that she hits back and now she starts it and sometimes hits him first, about 6 months prior to the start of couple's counseling. Dr Anderson is a long-time couples' therapist based in Los Angeles. Dr. Laurel Anderson, a clinical psychologist based in Los. And my recollection is she came in --- she talked to me by phone, and then came in the next day. Let's take a look at some of the reasons/excuses mentioned above. Ambertakes the conversation off in another direction (as an abuser would) and the topic of physical abuse never seems to come up in joint sessions again. She felt she had to hit him back if he hit her, and so she always did. Excuses/reasons for Amber's violence against Johnny are given throughout Dr Anderson's testimony. She was describing kind of the progression of the physical violence.Question (34:46), Did you have any understanding of what she meant when she admitted that she socks Mr. Depp?Dr Anderson (34:53), Yes, because there were three lines above this that explained the progression a bit. Westwood Internal Medicine 200. "And at that point, because I'm typing quickly as they go along, I'm switching into a different voice more about the process between them, where she has, I believe, interrupted him. Check with the applicable school district prior to making a decision based on these boundaries. Dr. Laurel Anderson, PHD is a Clinical Psychologist in Los Angeles, CA. Dr. Anderson failed both her patients, but actively harmed JD by characterizing their relationship as . So here we have Dr Anderson testifying that she saw bruising on Amber's face the day after Amber told her that shehit Johnny because he was "talking incoherently" and asked her if she would have an advantage in divorce if she first called police to file a DV report against Johnny. So I did what psychologists do, you go through all of those notes and your brain because it's not as if you're not left with a very clear sense of what went on. Click here for the video recording of Dr Anderson's Johnny v Amber Day 3 defamation trial testimony. Or at least I thought somewhere around the time she got the injuries. My notes are jumbly. The second best result is Jessica Danielle Anderson age 30s in Los Angeles, CA in the Vermont Square neighborhood. What days are Anderson Laurel, PhD open? Who slapped who? Dr Anderson (40:01), "I actually know what happened." Additionally,Amber dropped by Dr Anderson's office Dec 17, 2015 to show her bruises on her face (photos and in person). She talked over him. 12-Depp v. . In my experience therapists who didnt keep up to date with specialisation in cluster B patients & rarely work with them can be rather well, not up to date and not practiced with us to put it mildly. She rose to the challenge if he started first, which in my opinion, that had been established throughout the relationship, that she fought as hard as he did. And she slapped him because he was being incoherent in talking about being with another woman. From Dr Anderson's testimony about the 1st session: When Mr. Depp told you that Amber hit him in the jaw, did Amber respond in any way? excusing her violence as reactionary (32:44) (34:53) (45:57) (52:29)(52:49) (53:42). Huge fight. So it gives me a sense of what they're doing at home, they are each reporting, This is what we say to each other., I've read through this transcript several times and every time I get a concerned reaction to"She bites the bait. Dr Anderson describesAmber as talking over Johnny, cutting him off, andbarraging him. I think you've described this in the course of your testimony, but I did want to ask you about your sentence: She reported always hitting him back as a point of pride, but admitted that she eventually initiated the hitting herself. Is the she you're referring to, Ms. Who slapped who?Dr Anderson (40:01), "I actually know what happened. (I came up with 72 reasons.). Languages English Education Medical Board Certifications Geriatric Medicine, American Board of Internal Medicine, 2005. 109-Depp v. Heard . I don't agree with the idea that partner abuse is causedsolely or even mostly because of patriarchy. I also transcribed and analyzed Dr Hughes testimony from the Depp v Heard trial: https://annsilvers.com/blogs/news/psychologist-dr-hughes-testimony-for-amber-heard-exposes-dv-gender-bias. Their dialogue -- he was cut off a lot. "Question (40:34), "Did she tell you that he had hit her first, or was she the one who initiated the slap? Other research shows that helping professionals have similar prejudices: "Individuals who work in the helping professions also assess behaviors by male partners to be more threatening and harmful than when those same behaviors are displayed by female partners.". "It's a treatment summary. Copyright 2023 Healthgrades Marketplace, LLC, Patent US Nos. In his book,Gender Inclusive Treatment of Intimate Partner Abuse: A Comprehensive Approach, John Hamel points out that: "The term mutual is ambiguous, with a number of possiblemeanings.". April 14, 2022, 4:24 PM Johnny Depp and Amber Heard were both violent, according to the former couple's marriage therapist. No closed fist. Will she have advantage if she leaves him but files with police for abuse first? Was that a question that she asked you? Dr Anderson (42:52) Yes. It could be four sessions. Mr. Depp's mother was in ICU. 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