Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. He knows! . Charles, Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . However, there were a number of people in the room who did know him and knew him well. Not all he said was false because then it would have been obvious to any discerning Christian. My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? I said, again, please dont do it just because Im asking you. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. That would be my word to Ron Duitsman. But the other letters, my understanding is they came in, and youre in a meeting with the other elders. . On Thursday, Im in a meeting with him where honestly, Julie, they were trying to convince me and the other elders in the room that hadnt been in previous meetings to let him resign. (Proverbs 27:12). Not all the elders had physical copies of the letters at that point. Visconti wins the Internet! And we were at a stalemate. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. And at this point, the letters, what had happened with the letters? And Stetzer is a huge, huge part of the crooked machine. And I dont know what his exact words were, but it was basically dont you dare read scripture to me. As youll hear in this podcast, there was a strong push to suppress those letters by those loyal to James McDonald. Today the guys share their conversation with journalist, author, and speaker Julie Roys. One, its impossible, and were gonna get killed, were gonna get slaughtered on that. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. And remember, a week before the decision had been made, in terms of not qualified as an elder and his employment would be over. Her articles have appeared in numerous periodicals. I mean his letter, not just talking about the abusive behavior of James, but the things he did with the money going on African safaris with the church money. In our required Old and New Testament classes, we utilized the Oxford Annotated Bible. Am I characterizing that correctly? Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. He says, Well, for when I kept silent my bones wasted through my groaning all day long for day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit this month against two ex-members and former Moody Radio host Julie Roys, accusing them of spreading false information about the . Yes, it is. And I dont know whether it was Rick Donald, who was was talking at that point about he had the letters, and didnt think that the elders should read all of them. And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? And he opened the meeting, looking at me and said, I know what youre going to do, and the church is going to implode or blow up, and its going to be on you. The audio recording that the elders reference was aired on popular Chicago radio personality Mancow Muller's show.Muller, once a trusted friend and confidant of MacDonald and also a member of Harvest Bible Chapel, has used his platform recently to call the pastor out on his less-than-exemplary handling of his critics. Plus, the school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? This isnt phrased to have constructive conversation. Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. On that Haiti trip. We got to pray. I was thrown out of the church we gave our lives to by a group of rogue leaders, MacDonald writes. I think of a few things Julie. So quick to forgive and people were giving me hugs the next night. And I turned to Scripture, and I went to Psalm 32, where you know, the companion to Psalm 51, where Davids writing. And when I read that, I just shook my head. *Correction: A previous version of this story incorrectly reported that Visconti and Generation Church had deleted their social media accounts. Instead, he blocked our access to his and Generation Churchs social media accounts. So he did that. Thanks! But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. | (Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel video screen grab) Harvest Bible Chapel has dropped a lawsuit against author and journalist Julie Roys and the writers of the Elephant's Debt blog amid public scrutiny for an alleged culture of fear, intimidation, and financial mismanagement. Others as well, who were defending and saying, well, the elders shouldnt even have these letters we had agreed, they go to the reconciliation team. . But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. She wrote about, you alluded to it, she wrote about the end of this Risen for the Nations tour when they were in Haiti. And as people rotated through, there were newer people on the board, and they wouldnt have really had a lot of access to to James McDonald. Jared Prayed for you just now. I shouldnt be doing this. Not saying anything about the about the men in the room, but that becomes unwieldy. Pastor Platforming James MacDonald Says Strong Women with Weak Husbands Become 'Toxic' By Julie Roys December 22, 2022 5:39 pm CST 26 Comments Pastor Ryan Visconti of Generation Church in Mesa, Arizona, is attracting attention for his partnership with James MacDonald and provocative social media posts. Like so many other cradle to present churched people, all I ever knew was the KJV Bible. And the things that were done to them after they left. Six people who I doubt wherever actually all in the same room. In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. What what were you thinking? The fruit which was souls coming to Christ was enormous. There was just enough false doctrine so that it was swallowed up with the truth. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. They discuss the role of journalism as it relates to local churches and prominent leaders, and her her current work investigating Harvest Bible Chapel and Pastor James MacDonald. And in those letters like Jacob Ross, who was the bodyguard of James McDonald. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. But to tell people they have to stay in a situation of violence, trauma and harm, or return to it, this is not a core tenet of Christianity. I feel that our beginnings, KJV or influences kept many people locked in to the Old Testament, with all of its Thou Shalt nots. One person suggested reading the New Testament first for a change and then read the Old Testament for the beginnings, the stories and allegories and basically manmade superstitions and misogynies. . However, an email that I got, that Duitsman had sent out and then it was leaked to me, said that what Duitsman was upset about was the fact that the elders were admitting that they had failed. And and its sad to me other than when they did finally, the former elders apologize for the lawsuit that was brought against me. And I know it was a battle. All my legal fees got paid. There is a solution for our sin in Scripture. And I want to help people lead the church well. I am so sorry to report that he has not changed. Im sad for his fall. She declined. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. I agree. Yeah, yeah. And I said, Listen, I get it. Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. And you then forwarded them to the elder board. Wow! Again, she was the the wife of Dave Corning who was an elder at Harvest for over 20 years, and telling her stories, and one of her stories was you know about pictures of her being put up on a on a wall as a target practice for James McDonald and her seeing this shot up with a pellet gun. Hi. Rather, its helping those in bondage find freedom. You could tell where it was headed probably. And I was still on the elder board, we shrunk the elder board that next week down to nine men. And then saying, I need a private jet to fly me home. And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. The picture with deceiver Kari Lake speaks volumes! But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. I certainly am no Bible scholar. @Cynthia Wright Love your comment. MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. So the topic of you know, among other things, the topic of the meeting that night on the agenda was to go through the letters to look at the charges and to walk through it and decide, does he meet the qualifications of an elder? The marriage relationship has died. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. To donate, click here. Thats right. That was really wrongdoing at Harvest, would be to repent. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center to become dean, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while pastoring at Harvest, It has been said, Show me a persons checkbook and I can tell you what he cares about. Social Action, 1964 James MacDonald, the, Christian actor Kirk Cameron on Monday featured disgraced pastor James MacDonald as a guest on Camerons TBN Takeaways program on biblical illiteracy. MacDonald was fired, Mark DeMoss, a man described by Christianity Today as Evangelicalisms PR Guru and a former Liberty University trustee, is apparently spending time with two men, Its been more than two years since Harvest Bible Chapel fired James MacDonald for engaging in conduct . Pastor James MacDonald. And there was a voicemail from one of the pastors at Harvest, in a really sort of pushing for me to sign that put my name to that. His sermons changed from adoration of the text to little postcard messages. There were six people who were brave enough, vulnerable enough to write letters. And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one oclock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. I just thought, yeah. But, I dont believe I have ever heard anyone say in any of these posts, husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. The Asbury Revival Is Over. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Well, youre welcome. And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. I say this as a Christian who was taken to task by Christian doctors who told me of all sorts of cases that are not as the woman loved murdering her baby as many pro-life conservatives want everyone to believe. And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. No, Im just reporting. Right? Its almost like he got a bit weird with elephant conference and his new ministry associations as he left the Gospel Coalition and jumped into the Prosperity group. In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. He was like he started appealing the process. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. The man does not make the ministry., God [emailprotected]. I remember praying before the Harvest Elgin campus as a garage, and its a former corporate space. What it really means to speak the truth in love, one post read. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. Rick, Donald actually had talked to me after the meeting and said, how much that meant to James. In an email to The Roys Report (TRR), Vernick noted that in the Old Testament, Abigail, the wife of the boorish and immature, Nabal, was a strong woman, married to a weak characterand she wasnt toxic. it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened . He was in Walk in the Word studios apparently, and said some really vile things, including, you know, joking about putting child porn on a computer, joking about me having an affair with a Christianity Today editor, which has no basis in fact whatsoeve. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! And that was a big question. It just seems that the church of the USA is a joke. But like I said, Hes really working hard to rewrite history. Well, Dan, like I said, on an earlier podcast that I had with Mancow Muller, I was hoping to be done with James McDonald and reporting on Harvest months ago. And it was just a deep sadness, deep sadness. Maybe not as profoundly as somebody whod been involved so long, but it was powerful. I know a lot of people look at this. Imagine such a thing. Im not positive on that. But according to a recent email by MacDonald, hes a victim of defamation by an envious childand needs your money to rebuild.. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attention . According to his email, MacDonald has been able to hire a small staff and encouraged people to sign up for his Home Church Networkvideo messages for people to use in a home church. Thanks that is hilarious!! The senior pastor at my church moved into town in 2014, and bought a home in proximity to the church for $260,000. Because again, that was one letter that never got published and the contents, other than what Ron Duitsman said in his recent video because he actually referenced that letter. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. I mean, even though at this point, your eyes have been opened. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader and was misleading us in a very unqualified way. Yeah. June 17, 2021 James MacDonald, the former megachurch pastor who's been embroiled in scandal and controversy for several years, is lashing out against independent journalist Julie Roys. It was the elders failure. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. Am I right? The Asbury Revival Is Over. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. Were supposed to approve this budget, and we dont even have a line item. And I just felt this incredible weight. The Roys Report reached out to MacDonald with questions about the email, which he would not answer on the record. Thank you. Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. You have exemplified godly leadership and godly character. First he used to walk up and down the isles and second it was a bit more exegetical than primarily exhortation based and those dynamics flipped. I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. To myself, I said, and do our job. They said no, for various reasons. The ministry is growing, we should expect to be attacked. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. While we were doing that, I was in my office at home. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired? Anne Green, who is married, alleged that MacDonald touched her inappropriately on a private plane in 2005. And thats got to be a heavy. I dont know how many people had heard of it. Its funny how things turn out, and this situation isnt wrapped up, yet. We had a group of Pastors who interviewed him and he gave us free tickets to his Straight Up conference. TED also reported that MacDonald's church Harvest Bible Chapel was $65 million in debt. "I was sitting in the back seat. If you wind back and in in elder meetings, I remember it being said by several several people, years before, if people start arguing the process, you know, you have them right up there arguing in the process. Thank you Jesus, Amen. In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldnt have the letters. How can a husband love his wife as Christ loved the church when he is emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually abusive? I think, how is it that we had the word of God sitting in front of us, which is pretty clear about what to do. Well, again, joining me today is Dan George, a former elder at Harvest, and one of only two former elders whos apologized to me personally, for some of the nasty things that were said about me when I was reporting on the church and James McDonald. This is a story that directly contradicts what MacDonald published in recent videos and statements on his webpage. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. So walk us through the drama of that weekend, James McDonald trying to save his job. That was you, wasnt it? The G in freemasonry stands for generation. Why would anyone who follows Jesus Christ care what Generation Church thinks about anything? Is that how it went down? And she immediately said, Ill write a letter. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. James MacDonald and His Earlier Attacks on Julie Roys. So far, I feel the leadership of my current church embodies this well. When I did, I told her letters were coming in, would she consider writing it. I felt physically sick reading the letter. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, whos a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. Should have that should have been enough of enough of a clue for me to say, Wait, wait, wait, thats a check. This wasnt anything else. Makes me sad and understand why his life went out of control. ChurchLeaders has reported extensively on MacDonald and Harvest, which began experiencing unrest back in 2013. I mean, just stuff that you just cant even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. I acknowledge my sin to you. And we shouldnt be, you know, happy with standing in line and say, well, so and so said that, right? If you went back to when the Elephants Debt was launched, I think this is telling. And I, I look back at those meetings that I was just describing, Julie, I dont I dont say this lightly. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. She was powerful and wise., Similarly, popular marriage and sex author, Sheila Wray Gregoire, wrote to TRR, The idea that a man can only be happy in a marriage when a wife is weaker than him shows that his idea of manhood is an extremely fragile one., As reported by TRR earlier this week, Visconti has publicly announced that he is being mentored by James MacDonald, and MacDonald has preached at Generation Church numerous times this past year. But so much else not owned. So appreciate that and appreciate your humility. If you hear that from the pulpit, or you hear that up front, I think, if Im sitting, if Im sitting in the seat, I think well, how fast can I get to my car and confess everything that just the Holy Spirit just brought to mind? And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. And its to warn people, right? Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! Hi. I pray for the man. So Rick was in the meeting, as were others, and they were defending saying the elders should not have the letters. But he starts arguing process. And theres Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. If hes ok with lying it places doubt on the gospel. Why is that? Its a reference to sex magik and the leaders have given a hat tip to their god right in the church name. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Tell me about that meeting and what he did. Those are simply other examples of posts about controversial issues. How about that one? The owners of Marquardt are friends of mine, Dan and Kurt Marquardt. That was a very common part of how Harvest approached things like that. He teaches that wives should endure abuse like a missionary endures persecution. And so what Id like to do is just rewind a couple of years to fall 2018. I did hear from one after I reached out to him because we had another connection with another organization that hes a head of. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. But one of the circumstances hes talking about, hes talking about something specific where Id stood up for him in a meeting years ago. And they said, I remember Dan telling me that that James slammed his fist on the table. And I remember reading through that scripture and reading through Hebrews 13:17, about elders overseeing and giving an account, and Galatians 1:10 about am I trying to please man, am I trying to please God? Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. And if he doesnt, what does that mean in terms of employment at Harvest Bible Chapel? Thats thats a much harder relaunch. So they have no idea what they really these, the elder board was large and had no idea really who James MacDonald was, am I right? I mean, again, it was a meeting into the wee hours of the night, early morning. A Christian leader, according to 1 Timothy 3:3, should not be "greedy for filthy lucre.". And what happened in all the backroom meetings, private conversations, and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. And he said, you know, James Macdonald had requested that I come out to a meeting and he had requested Mike Dunwoody and one other elder Mark Hopwood was a longtime elder from Elgin that we would all join them for a meeting at seven oclock on that Thursday night. Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? So that we could live in freedom. Thanks for a thoughtful, educated, godly response. Then let me just ask you from the start, why are you doing this? God will deal with him. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. Like this had been a months long drawn out battle. The multi-campus Harvest Bible Chapel in greater Chicago along with founder James MacDonald, has slapped several former workers and independent journalist Julie Roys with a defamation lawsuit alleging the publication of false information about the church, its finances and governance that resulted in the loss of 2,000 members. Later that night, or first thing you know, into the wee hours of the next morning, the communication was out to the people of Harvest, and it was over. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. On February 13, the elders announced James MacDonald had been fired . That this wasnt just James failure. Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. And in case you dont know, Dan Marquardt was one of three former elders at Harvest, who stood up to James McDonald in 2013, and was excommunicated as a result. He had joined, I think a year into, into Harvests history. I payed for you and James. Im gonna put it up on my Facebook page, on my blog. Honestly dont to this day. 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Theres 30 men in the room. And you couldnt be accused of disseminating them to the larger public. And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. Patient, kind, not self-seeking. So who is he talking about? So thats, thats February 5, 2019. And you got all of them. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. And this is when everything really started happening. So so sorry for anyone who has had to face the James MacDonald storm. This is James said what he said. It looks like these contemporary churches are just fundamentalists in different garb. So thats why I think its so important to get the truth out there and to just keep speaking the truth. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. 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